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A Dance With Dragons -- George R.R. Martin
*grumble, grumble, grumble...*
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Question No time or pissed at its existence?

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Is this where we post books we're not reading, or is it all about you, WTW?
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Delays in publication
Despite original predictions of possible completion in late 2006, Martin has not finished the book as of October 2010. Martin's blog has featured sporadic updates on his progress, and in January 2008 he posted an update on his website affirming his vigilant commitment to finishing the book.[12] In early 2008, publisher Spectra Books (a division of Random House) announced that A Dance with Dragons would be released on September 30, 2008,[16] but Martin stated this would only be possible if he finished writing by the end of June, before a trip to Spain and Portugal,[17] and he did not meet this goal.[18]

On February 19, 2009, Martin posted on his website, "I am trying to finish the book by June. I think I can do that. If I do, A Dance with Dragons will likely be published in September or October."[1] On June 22, 2009, the author expressed "guarded optimism" in respect to his progress on the book, while still not confirming a publication date.[19] When asked in a July 2009 interview with FREE! Magazine how the book was going, Martin stated, "It is going pretty well, actually. I am hoping to finish it by September or October; that is my goal."[20] On October 6, 2009, Martin said that his working manuscript for A Dance With Dragons had just exceeded 1,100 pages of completed chapters, plus "considerably more in partials, fragments, and roughs."[21] He noted that this made the upcoming novel longer than his earlier books A Game of Thrones and A Feast for Crows, and nearly as long as A Clash of Kings.[21]

On March 2, 2010, Martin remarked that he had reached 1,311 manuscript pages, making Dance the second longest book in the series at that point, behind only the 1,521-page manuscript of A Storm of Swords.[22]

On July 8, 2010, Martin spoke at a conference and confirmed the current length of the book to be 1,400 manuscript pages. He expressed his disappointment that he was unable to completely finish the book by the conference, although he would not speculate how soon the book would be completed after his return home on July 11.[23] At the same conference, Martin also confirmed that he has written one Sansa, one Arya, and two Arianne chapters for the planned sixth novel, Winds of Winter, and has transferred two Cersei chapters from that book into A Dance with Dragons.[24]

On August 7, 2010, Martin confirmed that he has completed 8 POV's, excluding prologue and epilogue.[25]

On October 10, 2010, at the New York Comic Con, Spectra senior editor Anne Groell states that Martin has announced he has five chapters remaining, with sections of the chapters already completed. She also wants to get the manuscript completed by December.[26]

The delays surrounding A Dance with Dragons have polarized some of Martin's fan base, questioning his commitment to finishing the series.[27]

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Oh. Nevermind.
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Has he been taking procrastination lessons from Douglas Adams?!

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zendao42 wrote:
Has he been taking procrastination lessons from Douglas Adams?!


More likely he has been taking, "I think I'll let myself be heavily side tracked and alllow my plot threads to become almost unmanagable" lessons from Robert Jordan. Unfortunatly, the end of Jordan's lessons are kind of dismal, as he never got to actually finish it.

RIP Robert Jordan. Sad
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The whole story is actually worse:

Publication history

# Title - Pages - Chapters - Earliest Release
1. A Game of Thrones - 694 - 73 - August 1996
2. A Clash of Kings - 768 - 70 - November 1998
3. A Storm of Swords - 973 - 82 - August 2000
4. A Feast for Crows - 753 - 46 - October 2005
5. A Dance with Dragons - (Forthcoming)
6. The Winds of Winter - (Forthcoming)
7. A Dream of Spring - (Forthcoming)

All page totals given are for the US hardcover edition.

After expanding the series to four volumes, Martin remarked, "What can I say? It's a BIG story, and a cast of thousands."[24]

After A Storm of Swords was completed in 2000, Martin began writing A Dance with Dragons, the intended fourth volume which would pick up the story five years after the previous volume. Martin found it difficult to make this work without an over-reliance on flashbacks. At the World Science Fiction Convention in Philadelphia on 1 September 2001, Martin announced that he was scrapping more than a year's work and writing a different fourth book that would fill in the gap, named A Feast for Crows. He found it extremely difficult to go back and start again, especially as this novel was not planned for in his scheme for the series, and work on the book progressed slowly.

By May 2005, A Feast for Crows had become longer than A Storm of Swords (the manuscript for which had been 1521 pages) and Martin's publishers said they could not publish the book in one volume.[16] They suggested splitting the book in two and releasing the volumes as A Feast for Crows, Volume I and A Feast for Crows, Volume II, but Martin was unhappy with this idea. After discussing the matter with his publishers and his friend and fellow writer Daniel Abraham, Martin decided to split the book by character and location instead. The published A Feast for Crows thus contained all of the characters in the South of the Seven Kingdoms, while the forthcoming A Dance with Dragons will contain the characters in the North, the Free Cities and in Slaver's Bay.

In a May 2005 statement, the author also said that this move now meant that the series would require seven volumes. Martin recognized that this decision could cause frustration among some of his fans. He wrote: "I know some of you may be disappointed, especially when you buy A Feast for Crows and discover that your favorite character does not appear, but given the realities I think this was the best solution... and the more I look at it, the more convinced I am that these two parallel novels, when taken together, will actually tell the story better than one big book."[16]

These problems aside, A Feast for Crows was released in October 2005 and immediately won largely positive reviews. Time dubbed Martin "the American Tolkien",[25] and the novel went straight to the top of the New York Times bestseller list.

Despite initial hopes of A Dance with Dragons being published quickly after A Feast for Crows, the writing and revision process for this fifth novel proved more difficult than anticipated. On January 1, 2008, Martin published an update on his website saying he hoped to have the book published in the autumn of 2008.[26] As of October 2010, the author has published no further updates on his website. Although major retailers had quoted release dates for A Dance with Dragons of September 29, 2009 in the US and the following month in the UK,[27][28] Martin stated that these release dates were incorrect, and that he would announce the release of A Dance with Dragons when he has finished the manuscript. Martin has in the past announced finishing dates for earlier works on his blog, and in the last several years also announced the genesis of other projects, which has caused some fans to wonder if he has lost interest in writing A Song of Ice and Fire. Martin has said that this is not the case.[citation needed] George R. R. Martin has addressed fan frustration with the many delays in releasing Ice and Fire novels, including fears that he may "pull a Robert Jordan" and leave the series forever unfinished. Martin insists that he will not be bullied and continues to work at his own pace, on this and several other projects, to make sure they come out as good as he can possibly make them.[not in citation given][29] In a February 2009 update on his LiveJournal, Martin confirmed that he had hoped to finish the novel in June, which would permit a September–October 2009 publication.[30] This goal was not achieved, though in late June 2009 he mentioned that he had achieved more progress within the preceding weeks than any other concentrated period of work of the previous year, perhaps longer.[31] On Oct 11, 2010 it was confirmed by GRRM’s editor Anne Groell that Martin has finished all but five chapters for A Dance with Dragons, and that the five chapters remaining already exist in partial form. She also teases the hope of the publisher that the manuscript will be finished by Christmas 2010.[32]

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zendao42 wrote:
Has he been taking procrastination lessons from Douglas Adams?!


I would be careful about taking procrastination lessons from Douglas Adams if you know what I mean...

And while we're on the subject of procrastination, Alan Moore really needs to stop fucking around with League of Extraordinary Gentlemen 3 and finish that mess up before it starts reeking of Chinese Democracy.
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For starters I cant think of a hair metal character I despise more than axl and I'm still pissed about plopping down real money for a cd that I tried to shoot like a clay pigeon 3 times (proving not single hit for 15+ years of non-effort). but, Alan seems intent on spending most of his time refusing to speak about DC, and not working on anything worthwhile IMO, and I hate saying considering my decades long following of Constantine.
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