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Amigo



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If you want unbiased information about the war in Iraq, or have any doubts whatsoever about whether we're doing, or have done, the "right" thing there, please see this movie.

"No End in Sight" by Charles Ferguson

Post Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:47 am   View user's profile Send private message
dougp



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Amigo, do you ever get the impression that you are preaching to the choir, and that maybe they've taken the message and gone home? I don't think very many, if any here, are for it now, or have been for awhile. I for one never saw the point in blowing up mud huts in Afghanistan, let alone visit the the long ago cradle of civilization. The entire Middle East has shown no real interest in it (civility) for some time, why our leaders thought that they would be more receptive if we forced it on them has had me confused from the beginning.
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Ferrit Leggings



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You asked so here you go:


My unbiased opinion about the war.



(Which I hope to god or whoever that it is my last opinion about the war)


This war was started a long time ago. Who could we lay blame to for it? Possibly Winston Churchill for realizing that Iraq had resources such as oil and going in there with puppets and plastic control to secure the resource? Do we blame JFK for funneling cash to Saddam’s party while Vietnam was going on? Possibly we could blame Reagan for giving money to Iraq and intelligence that helped in the gassing of the Iraqi people? We could even blame Rummy for underhanded deals he made under the Reagan administration to get an oil pipeline made.

Most of the finger pointing doesn’t do any good or solve problems but makes for either a good book or nice long trial. The biggest problem there is that the US pulled out of Iraq under the first Bush and left them under the rule of a tyrant which all occurred because of the pipeline deal going down the proverbial tubes. Saddam did not become an asshole until he said no to big US oil. After that he became a bastard that murdered his people and we were supposed to believe that all of this happened without our knowledge or knowing.

The people in Iraq might have welcomed the US and liberation from Saddam if we hadn’t sat back and let them die under his rule under Reagan and the first Bush. Anyone who was alive at the time would know that Carter had his hands full with a hostage crisis and a drunk brother so he wouldn’t have been able to do much. It was strange how Ron got the prisoners out of Iran right after being elected and then that little thing came up with the Iran Contra Scandal came up. But who is to say anything about the Ole’ Gipper?

Ron Reagan is the icon that the Republican Party has been looking for since debacle of Nixon. George, the new one, makes Nixon look like an amateur, and gives the Bible belt a hard on for killin’. The democrats don’t have that icon because of Free Willy and the Perversions of JFK but they hope for the next FDR to come along. Meanwhile they send Lurch up against 911 George and Lurch gets screwed over by people he served with and loses to someone who played war like a child riding in the fire truck on the fourth of July at a parade.

There is an old saying of “You pay for what you get.” The trouble is that we the people are the ones to pay for the screw ups of people who are not acting for the betterment of humanity or even being humane. There is the question of what if. What if we liberated the country of Iraq back in the 1980’s and saved the people of Iran and Saddam’s own people, the Iraqis, from being gassed or tortured. This leads to the question of torturing Iraqis by our own government and soldiers then wondering what if that didn’t happen. Would the people of Iraq have more faith in the US and our country?

The next clichéd maxim is, “coulda’ woulda’ shoulda’ it’s too late.” Iraq is a cluster fuck of magnanimous proportions filled with fear and the promotion of fear of a people that are supposed to swim across the Atlantic and kill our children. Instead we make it easier and send our children to their doorstep so they don’t have to swim.

It is not the fault of the soldiers put into an un-winnable situation. It is not the fault of the people on either side who want nothing more than to live a happy life. That is for Americans and Iraqis. We could blame the terrorists who want to kill in the name of their god and we could blame a president who wants to liberate in the name of his god. That would all be too easy.

The hardest answer to realize is that it is nothing more than a cluster fuck created throughout a long period of time. History is a bastard child that is written by the winners who tend to leave out the ugly parts. Twenty years from now who knows how all of this will be written but it sure as hell is going to happen again. The only reason it is going to happen again is because we are going to let it happen again then justify our stupidity.

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lisa



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Ferrit Leggings wrote:
We could blame the terrorists who want to kill in the name of their god and we could blame a president who wants to liberate in the name of his god.



Not two. Only one.


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