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Mac or PC?
Mac Laptop
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Lynn



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Sara Leigh wrote:
Lynn, I have to disagree with your statement about running business programs on Macs. I've worked on a Mac in a PC business world for 17 years. File compatibility was never a problem. With a simple conversion program, I could open almost any PC file that came across my desktop. And MS Office files are not a problem anymore. I can open any Word, Excel, or Powerpoint document, although I'd rather never open any of them.


You have me there, but I would never take the time to run a file converson program (wouldn't even think to look for one. I would just pout instead). Too lazy. I still have problems with files coming over from Macs in MS Office. Everyone tells me I shouldn't and yet . . .

I also just don't like all the functions that get hidden or lost when you try to work in Word et al on a Mac. Frequently, I find they've made all the patches so that that function is there, but you have to know the keyboard shortcut (literally have to because it doesn't even explain how to do it in Help. Usually, if you know the PC shortcut it's the same except for the apple/ctrl key issue which we do not even want to get me started on). The same thing happened in reverse for design programs. If you're used to MS Office on a PC or Adobe CS on a Mac, the opposite system is disappointing and frustrating.

Honestly, Macs have a lot to recommend them. I stick to my PC because it's just the better system for what I do. Which is mainly play games, watch movies, get online, and write. And you can complain about the India-based support that Dell and other PC companies have, but it's miles better than the experience friends and family have had with Apple's support team.
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mllefifi wrote:
The thing that Macs really turned me off about when I first tried to use them (back ca. 1996) was that the floppy drive did not have an eject button. You had to ASK the computer to eject your disk! (I've heard that this problem has been eliminated now, but it nevertheless suggests a certain anti-customer mindset.)

Don't get me wrong: Micro$oft has had its own set of problems, but, as far as I've experienced, property confiscation hasn't been one of them. Rolling Eyes


It isn't fixed on my boss' computer and she's got the new Intel Mac. I hate that fucking computer. It's also really picky about having to ask the computer to "eject" SD cards and jump drives. Which you should do anyway, but usually you can skip on a PC.
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Ginjg



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Lynn wrote:
Sara Leigh wrote:
Lynn, I have to disagree with your statement about running business programs on Macs. I've worked on a Mac in a PC business world for 17 years. File compatibility was never a problem. With a simple conversion program, I could open almost any PC file that came across my desktop. And MS Office files are not a problem anymore. I can open any Word, Excel, or Powerpoint document, although I'd rather never open any of them.


You have me there, but I would never take the time to run a file converson program (wouldn't even think to look for one. I would just pout instead). Too lazy. I still have problems with files coming over from Macs in MS Office. Everyone tells me I shouldn't and yet . . .

I also just don't like all the functions that get hidden or lost when you try to work in Word et al on a Mac. Frequently, I find they've made all the patches so that that function is there, but you have to know the keyboard shortcut (literally have to because it doesn't even explain how to do it in Help. Usually, if you know the PC shortcut it's the same except for the apple/ctrl key issue which we do not even want to get me started on). The same thing happened in reverse for design programs. If you're used to MS Office on a PC or Adobe CS on a Mac, the opposite system is disappointing and frustrating.

Honestly, Macs have a lot to recommend them. I stick to my PC because it's just the better system for what I do. Which is mainly play games, watch movies, get online, and write. And you can complain about the India-based support that Dell and other PC companies have, but it's miles better than the experience friends and family have had with Apple's support team.


Your trouble may be receiving files from much older versions of Word. The only issue I have is that my ancient microsoft works files will not open in Word or Excel unless I use the file conversion program (which I originally bought to open word files in wordperfect). They're the only files I ever have had to use conversion for since MS bought wordperfect and killed the mac version. It's an issue with the program and not the platforms.

The shortcuts are in help, but again the only reason they are different between the mac & windows versions is because Microsoft chose them to make them different.

I've never had much call for apple support, but the few times I have, they've been great.

There is no question that gaming is a better experience on the PC.
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FattyFattyPorkFace wrote:
Unc wrote:
Ginjg wrote:
Firefox is a great browser.


And it runs on both. Couldn't agree more. So much better than IE it's amazing.

As for which platform (PC or Mac), as some have said, that all depends. I respect Macs but I work in the world of business software, so that pretty much dictates PCs and Windoze. Good luck.


IE 7 looks pretty good too. I would be more specific. Firefox is much better than IE 6. Not IE.


I work with applications that require real browser security. Firefox is better than IE on any level, especially security.

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mllefifi wrote:
Ginjg wrote:
mllefifi wrote:
The thing that Macs really turned me off about when I first tried to use them (back ca. 1996) was that the floppy drive did not have an eject button. You had to ASK the computer to eject your disk! (I've heard that this problem has been eliminated now, but it nevertheless suggests a certain anti-customer mindset.)[...]

Command E always has ejected any mounted item on a mac. And most macs, from my very first classic (in 1990) on, had an eject key on the keyboard as well.
A lot of the frustration people have with any different GUI operating system is that things are only a little bit different from the one they're used to.[...]

There's a big difference between having to push a physical button or lever at the site of the floppy drive to release what is rightfully your physical property, and having to find the right command on the computer or keyboard to release it (hopefully) through an electronically transmitted command. No doubt about it, this one thing turned me off from Macs. It is a fundamental, guts-encroaching thing that is in no way comparable to switching operating systems.


There was always the Bent Paper Clip Technique. On older Macs that had a floppy drive, there was always a tiny hole that worked as an eject button. You just straightened one end of a paper clip and you had an Eject button. Cool

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Sara Leigh



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I miss the Bent Paper Clip Technique. Smile

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Ginjg wrote:

There is no question that gaming is a better experience on the PC.


Ummm, excuse me but I think you're forgetting Dark Castle, Beyond Dark Castle and Color Beyond Dark Castle...ahhh the nostalgia.

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I was having this very same debate with my boyfriend last night (god we're geeks...i doubt anyone else argues mac vs. pc in bed) and he had a very interesting take on the subject--
him: "you see, when you take you're computer onto the internet, it's having sex with thousands of other computers--you think it's just walking down the street, but no. It's fucking thousands and thousands of other computers--my pc always wears a condom"
me: "but macs only do classy whores"
him: "Yeah, macs only go to like "escort services" but pcs will bone anything that moves."

Just thought I'd put that out there for you guys.
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nallard wrote:
Ginjg wrote:

There is no question that gaming is a better experience on the PC.


Ummm, excuse me but I think you're forgetting Dark Castle, Beyond Dark Castle and Color Beyond Dark Castle...ahhh the nostalgia.



While I am a staunch PC supporter when it comes to gaming, i must also point out that all of the Myst games, all of the Sim games and all of the Age of Empires games come out on both platforms.
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