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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/6727215.stm
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Post Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:42 am   View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
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Gee, and here in the states the government leaving crap all over the place is only metaphorical.
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Takes one back to the good old days.

Ring around the rosey,
a pocket full of poseys,
ashes, ashes, we all fall down.
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fortune cookie wrote:
Takes one back to the good old days.

Ring around the rosey,
a pocket full of poseys,
ashes, ashes, we all fall down.


It's actually...

A ring, a ring of roses,
A pocket full of poseys,
A tissue, a tissue, we all fall down.

And it was the ring that was the mark of the plague, the pocket of flowers that they thought would protect them and the sneezing that sufferers often had. But close. (I know all this because we had to learn about it all in school and visit the village where it all started in England).
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I quit using Snopes as reference since they started "refuting" events I've seen at first hand in 2005, but I think they do have something to say about the ditty and its alleged meaning.
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What I heard was that the Ring was the mark of the plague, but the other stuff was different

The poseys stuffed into the pockets were to help alleviate the smell of the dead bodies

And the ashes ashes part was dealing with the removal of mass corpses by burning.

*shrug* That just what I was told in school. I'm sure there's many different explanations.
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Same as Vahlee, but I will defer to Jeff in this instance as his country
is the origin of the plague.
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fortune cookie wrote:
Same as Vahlee, but I will defer to Jeff in this instance as his country
is the origin of the plague.


Erm. No.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol8no9/01-0536.htm
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fortune cookie wrote:
Same as Vahlee, but I will defer to Jeff in this instance as his country
is the origin of the plague.


The Plague didn't start in England. The rhyme did. But the plague did not. However, it did start in a village in England for the British Isles.

The ashes thing is definitely wrong.

The origin of the rhyme is from the Great Plague of London in 1665-66, not from the original outbreak in the 14th century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Plague_of_London

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring-a-ring_of_roses
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I recommend a book by Kim Stanley Robinson called The Years of Rice and Salt.

It is a "What If" novel that examines what would happen if the Bubonic Plague killed 99% of of the European population. The novel takes place over centuries with the main characters being reincarnated and inevitable finding each other again. With the Europeans essentially gone, the Hindu, Chinese, Muslim, and Native American nations become the dominate powers throughout history, facing many of the same challenges the Europeans did in reality. (Theology, slavery, equality, increasingly dangerous weaponry, etc.)

Granted I should probably spend more time reading actual history texts, but I really liked this book and suggest it highly

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http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/amroth/RATR/ring.html

According to this random person,we're all wrong, heh.
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Ha, the certain people with a genetic mutation in an antigen in the protein on the surface of their cells are not only resistant to the Plague but are also unable to carry or transmit HIV!
http://microbiology.suite101.com/article.cfm/hiv_protection
Ha, that's all I know about it!!! I am SO glad I am not an English lit major....this is provable....(however the theory of selective pressure quoted in the article is debatable...) Laughing
This totally proves why I could not get more than a C in English
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Vahlee wrote:
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/amroth/RATR/ring.html

According to this random person,we're all wrong, heh.


I found that interesting but I still disagree. It was certainly a very US-biased interpretation but I think there is more to it than is discussed there.
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O.K., ummmm, this is totally how I got bad grades in college, both degrees.....
"Excuse me! Professor, um Does it really matter?"
"it" referring to the author's intentions, the main characters motivation, whether the kumquat was symbolic of the characters father or just a kumquat.... or what the crap a nursery rhyme means....
your choice. Shocked
Note to self all author/writing people here.... back away slowly and run

Umm yeah, garbage and filth stink, cholera sucks, plagues suck Cool
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FattyFattyPorkFace wrote:

The Plague didn't start in England. The rhyme did. But the plague did not. However, it did start in a village in England for the British Isles.


If you are not going to allow me to rewrite history as I see fit,
what's the use of my making up the facts as I go along?
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