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Skippykelly



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I'm going to try this writing thing again but would like some input. Which perspective is better / easier to write from in your experience? First person or third person? I tried first person and it seems to be a little limiting and sometimes awkward, especially when you're not writing from actual personal experience, but haven't tried to write from a third person perspective yet...

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Poofiemus



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I always write in third person omniscient. I like being able to hop around in perspectives at whim without confusing the crap out of my reader.

It's largely a matter of personal taste, though. First person can be a lot more personal, I just find writing in it too restricting. My Co-ML for NaNoWriMo, though, prefers to write in first person. She started this year's novel in third, and switched to first after only 3K.

I'd say try a few experiments in each perspective and see what suits you best. Even then, some stories might do better with one perspective than the other. Note how Chris switches to first person for Lamb, but sticks to third for everything else.

Like I said, it's a matter of both personal preference and the needs of your particular story. You can change partway through your first draft if you want to, even, and then go back and fix it later.
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Sk, don't forget that it's legitimate to use more than one person in the course of the same story -- as long as it's justified, as in quoting a diary (Abby Normal), or creating a dramatic focus (the ending of Tale of Two Cities), etc.
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In my experience, 1st person is harder. Obviously, it limits your ability to get into all of the character's heads, as well as using mulitple settings and simultaneous action. It forces you to have a voice, but to be honest, a lot of writer's don't have that yet, and it ends up sounding horrible.

The up side is that you CAN develop a stronger voice, which can be a huge boon to writing humor, and it can establish a character with whom the reader immediately has a relationship. It's a lot easier to paint yourself into a corner, however. (At one point in Lamb I had to have Biff tell part of the story as "Josh told me what happened later", because I needed to show simultaneous action in two different locations. It can be distracting. You can also do both, as long as there are definitive breaks between the first and third person section. (You Suck is written that way.)

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Another way to use first person is to switch between characters. Heinlein did it in "Number of the Beast" - it's divided up mostly between the four main characters. They are all travelling together and experiencing the same things, but each has a different take on them, different opinions, etc. The chapter headings tell you who's voice the author is speaking in (Jake, Zeb, Deety, etc...) I thought it worked well.
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My current attempt at writing (and almost all my other very much less successful attempts) have been first person. While I find it harder with respect to getting the story across, I find it much easier because it means I can write in a single voice. That said, I'm not certain how good it is yet - I'm nearly done (discipline is not my strong point). No, really I am.

Since starting my current piece, I've found that I cherish the "painted into a corner" moments because, though frustrating, they usually spark inspiration that leads to some of the better moments in my story. Those who have been kind enough to read what I've written and have seen the evolution of the story would hopefully back that up.

I'm learning as I go along, but I relish the challenge.
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I relish my hamburgers. I mustard my hotdogs.
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Wingnut wrote:
I relish my hamburgers. I mustard my hotdogs.


Don't verb your condiments or I may have to chutney your testicles.
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I love writing in first person when I write humor. I've heard lots of writers say it is harder, but it just felt natural to me, so I ran with it.
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Skippykelly



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Well, than you for your feedback. I now have about 20k words. None of them really make any sense, but they're there...
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Are there at least some rare & interesting words in it? Wink

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LostInWalmart



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It's very helpful if you take all those words and put them into some sort of structure containing different parts of speech. Verbs are extremely useful at this point in the process. Also, it allows you to insert all sorts of punctuation(!).

Good luck with that!

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Does the "Magnetic Poetry" company sell a boxed set of, say, 50,000 or so different words?

If so, that might inspire me to write a novel!

Then again, in order to have something to attach the words to, I'd have to get a hold of several dozen refrigerators...
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Skippykelly



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Here's a sample: pussycat, death, propositioning, schtupping, transfixed, sex, nipple...

Plus there are neat colorful characters like Skyy Coqueblower, Mr. Yankee Cap, Mr. No Pants, Ms Hot Teenage Prostitute Girl, an angry mob, and lots of cats.
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Boota wrote:
I love writing in first person when I write humor. I've heard lots of writers say it is harder, but it just felt natural to me, so I ran with it.


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