Christopher Moore Home Page

The bulletin board is currently closed to new posts. Instead, why not check out Chris' Twitter and Facebook pages?


bbs.chrismoore.com Forum Index -> So You Wanna Be a Writer?

For AG: A Solution to Book Piracy

  Author    Thread This forum is locked: you cannot post, reply to, or edit topics. This topic is locked: you cannot edit posts or make replies.
sugarraydodge



Joined: 27 Nov 2007
Posts: 647
Location: Utah
For AG: A Solution to Book Piracy  Reply with quote  

Chris, I have heard you before say that there is going to be no way to prevent the priacy of books the way music was hijaked by Napster, or words to that effect. Also, you have said that the way musicians got around this to still make money is to improve their talent to make people want to see them live, and that there is no such platform for authors to do the same thing. Well, what about (in the future when this is a problem) simply serializing novels online, then when they are finished print books for people who are old fashioned and don't like their eyes to bleed when they read. You could make up for the lost revenue in book sales with advertising on the website. I know this plan isn't perfect, and I admit that I am a publishing neophyte. I know that publishers want exlusivity and they balk at the idea of printing something everybody has already seen for free, but if and when book priacy becomes a major problem, wouldn't this be at least a starting point for the solution?

Post Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:38 am   View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website AIM Address
chris
Site Admin


Joined: 02 Mar 2004
Posts: 3833
Location: People Republic of Northern California
 Reply with quote  

It might be. Who knows? I don't think I would read a book that way. (Serialized). The people who are really waiting for a book from an author, like, say, you guys, will buy the book anyway.

I'm not saying it wouldn't be something to try, but whether it could make up for the loss of revenue might be tough. I suppose you could do a subscription model. Where you pay a buck a chapter as the book comes out, or something. But again, people would just wait a week or a month and download the pirated version.

I don't know.

Post Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:42 am   View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
Ginjg



Joined: 04 Sep 2004
Posts: 6617
Location: Los Angeles
 Reply with quote  

that buck a chapter model didn't work for Stephen King. I'd still love for him to finish The Plant - he only did 6 installments.
_________________
To Learn is to Know
To Know is to Love
To Love is our aim

~~~~~~~

Why should we bother with immortality when we are eternal?

Post Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:36 am   View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website AIM Address
sgt_steve



Joined: 18 Jan 2005
Posts: 5197
Location: Michissippi
 Reply with quote  

Lawrence Watt-Evans has been doing some interesting experiments. He had been writing a series which the publisher was no longer interested in, but in which there was a significant amount of fan interest. The problem was that the fan interest wasn't high enough that a publisher could make a profit on it. So L W-E decided to cut out the middleman.

But it wasn't like King's serial; L W-E decided as long as donations came in at $100 per week, he'd keep writing. He published chapters on the net as they finished, but once the book was done found a publisher and pulled the electronic copies. It worked well enough that he's now done several novels by this process.

Has he gotten rich? No. But he's learned a lot, and is blazing an interesting trail. You can see his process at The Spriggan Experiment.

Post Thu Dec 11, 2008 12:21 pm   View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
FattyFattyPorkFace



Joined: 10 Aug 2004
Posts: 6381
Location: Michigan
 Reply with quote  

The way I see it, nothing will replace the physical book entirely. The closest we may come is electronic paper, and that will be the only thing that can truly threaten the printed book, but it will still be physical because we like to thumb through, we like quickly flicking back and forth, we like the ease of using a book.

That said, the digital age has and will continue to dilute the sales of physical printed media (as opposed to physical electronic media) and that is sad. However, I do believe there are ways to create revenue streams through a digital approach to books - the important task is making legitimate use seem a better option than piracy.

Now, there will always be those pre-disposed to piracy, who will go out of their way to get their hands on something for nothing. There always has been. The key is to create an appropriate bicycle lock - a protection system that deters the honest thief from just taking the bicycle (they need bolt cutters and some effort to take it). DRM attempted this approach for digital media, but it failed because it prevented people from using the media in a way that made sense to them; digital media does not follow the same rules as physical items. Therefore, a digital "bicycle lock" cannot behave the same way - you don't want your digital book or album chained to the digital equivalent of a lamp post (i.e. iPod).

So far, outside of selling, the popular way to monetize any digital content has been advertising. For authored material like essays and short stories (often just blog entries, these days), this appears to work well as long as you can give people a reason to come back day after day. This may not work so well for novels. That said, the selling approach won't work without some kind of DRM as otherwise, piracy is too easy. Bespoke file formats won't work, they'll just exacerbate people (why doesn't this work on my X book reader when it works on my Y book reader?), and DRM that limits the hardware that can be used will have the same effect.

So, how can this work? Well, I think a system much like XBOx Live is a good model. I can log-in to my XBOX Live account from anywhere - my XBOX, someone else's XBOX, my PC, your Mac, my mobile phone - and I can view my friends, send them messages etc. If my e-books were DRM'd to an account like that, I can see it being acceptable. As it is becoming the norm for devices to be connected to the Internet, e-book readers could easily access your e-book account to verify the content you want to read and even access your online library, you could even carry a locally unlocked version that IS tied to the device should you head to an area without connectivity. This system would give you the freedom to read the e-book on whatever device you want but still allows the authors and publishers to have a reasonable control over the revenue.
_________________
Twitter: jefftunes

Post Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:26 pm   View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Kar98



Joined: 31 Jul 2006
Posts: 3170
Location: Dallas, Texas
 Reply with quote  

Well, funny you should say that.
I _did_ download, for free, via IRC the first three or four books by one guy by the name of Christopher Moore.
And guess what? I laughed my ass off at them, and then couldn't wait for the next ones to be scanned and uploaded, so all the rest I bought in hardcover the week they came out. Also bought a few as presents for others (TSA makes a nice chrissie prezzle, btw). But I still download them (many others) just because it's so damn convenient to have hundreds of books in your jeans pocket.
Think of e-books as the 21st century library. I loved to go to the library, but now I'd have to drive a few miles (rather than walk 3 blocks) to one, it's filled with frumpy crap that would be sold from the rotating shelf at the flea market, poor & smelly people using the computer, and audio books on freaking cassette tapes. Browsing around to find new stuff that might be interesting? Ahahaha. Nope.
E-books, I can browse, download and read while sitting on the fucking crapper, ferfuxake! Nothing beats THAT convenience.
It is of course the respective author's right to determine how his books are distributed. But it e-books _is_ a channel that deserves attention.
_________________
It finally happened. My conscience stopped working. I've never felt so free.

Post Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:25 pm   View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
leprrkan



Joined: 29 Jul 2007
Posts: 5089
Location: In the home stretch...
 Reply with quote  

Ginjg wrote:
that buck a chapter model didn't work for Stephen King. I'd still love for him to finish The Plant - he only did 6 installments.



I may be misremembreing, Gingj, but I think when I read "The Plant" a few years back, it was the entire version... my room-mate at the time subscribed to Cemetary Dance and had downloaded the (I thought) complete story...
_________________
"Jesus... is NOT a zombie... I shouldn't have to tell you that."

- "Bones"

Post Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:33 pm   View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website Yahoo Messenger MSN Messenger
Skippykelly



Joined: 08 Oct 2008
Posts: 933
Location: Eugene, Oregon
 Reply with quote  

I didn't even know you could pirate a book...
_________________
And God said: 'Let there be Satan, so people don't blame everything on me. And let there be lawyers, so people don't blame everything on Satan.'

Post Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:37 pm   View user's profile Send private message
JustAGirl



Joined: 05 Jan 2008
Posts: 2230
Location: North Carolina
 Reply with quote  

Me neither.

But if it means you have to sit at your computer to read the book, I'll pass. I have to be able to take it with me and I don't have an electronic book reader thingy.
_________________
Mark it 8, Dude.

Post Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:14 pm   View user's profile Send private message
mllefifi



Joined: 28 Jan 2006
Posts: 8964
Location: Deleoware
 Reply with quote  

These days you could probably read a book on an iPod (in .txt or .rtf format, at least). But I wouldn't know, 'cause I don't have a cat.

And I thought that "pirating" a book means that you take an existing story, change the protagonists to pirates, and then do slight rewriting for adjustment. So, for instance, if someone were to "pirate" Anne of Green Gables...
_________________
"If you allow yourself to be offended, then you're a bit of [a] nitwit."
(Christopher Moore)

Post Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:01 am   View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website AIM Address
Kar98



Joined: 31 Jul 2006
Posts: 3170
Location: Dallas, Texas
 Reply with quote  

Skippykelly wrote:
I didn't even know you could pirate a book...


Cut spine off book.
Feed pages into sheet-feed scanner.
Pick up scanned pages, feed them through the scanner again for the other sides.
Let OCR and spell-checking software deal with it.
Proof-read.
Distribute file to readers who also proof-read it.
Format it.
Version 5.0 is usually a perfect facsimile of the book. Except you can store hundreds of them into a PDA that fits in your pockets.
_________________
It finally happened. My conscience stopped working. I've never felt so free.

Post Wed Dec 17, 2008 7:27 am   View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Skippykelly



Joined: 08 Oct 2008
Posts: 933
Location: Eugene, Oregon
 Reply with quote  

Sounds like you've done this before...
_________________
And God said: 'Let there be Satan, so people don't blame everything on me. And let there be lawyers, so people don't blame everything on Satan.'

Post Wed Dec 17, 2008 9:06 am   View user's profile Send private message
sgt_steve



Joined: 18 Jan 2005
Posts: 5197
Location: Michissippi
 Reply with quote  

Kar98 wrote:
Skippykelly wrote:
I didn't even know you could pirate a book...
Cut spine off book. . . .
Easier methods:

    * Have an inside guy at the publisher who gets you a copy of the electronic manuscript just submitted by your favorite author. You then give a copy to a friend. The fourth or fifth friend in the chain puts it on the internet.

    * Rely on the fact that most commercial ebook protection schemes can be cracked in minutes. Within a day of release of the commercial electronic version, it's on the internet.

Post Wed Dec 17, 2008 11:24 am   View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
mllefifi



Joined: 28 Jan 2006
Posts: 8964
Location: Deleoware
 Reply with quote  

Skippykelly wrote:
Sounds like you've done this before...

Check with the Russians. They've got online book piracy -- including Russian editions of the AG's books -- down to a science. Mad
kar98 wrote:
Rely on the fact that most commercial ebook protection schemes can be cracked in minutes.

Doesn't one of the methods consist of marking the outside edge with a magic marker? Oh, wait -- that was for those protected audio CDs a few years ago... Embarassed

(By the way, this morning I saw a parked car with the Maryland license plate reading just "KAR." A coincidence?)
_________________
"If you allow yourself to be offended, then you're a bit of [a] nitwit."
(Christopher Moore)


Last edited by mllefifi on Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:37 pm; edited 1 time in total

Post Wed Dec 17, 2008 11:56 am   View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website AIM Address
sgt_steve



Joined: 18 Jan 2005
Posts: 5197
Location: Michissippi
 Reply with quote  

There is a plate in California that reads "DEV CAR." It's an obscure joke, but Ken will get it.

Post Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:25 pm   View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
  Display posts from previous:      
This forum is locked: you cannot post, reply to, or edit topics. This topic is locked: you cannot edit posts or make replies.

Jump to:  


Last Thread | Next Thread  >

Forum Rules:
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

 
Templates created by Vereor and Ken