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Year One...

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leprrkan



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So today, one year ago, we made history.

Personally, I had a HUGE amount of faith in Obama and his promises/abilities to effect the change he promised.

One year later, I'm trying to hold on to that optimism and I'm trying to give him the time he needs to make things work. But I have to be honest and say that some of that faith and hope is waning.

It seems like all the major points he promised to address while campaining, he has either taken only minimal steps or backpedaled on (e.g. closing Gitmo, pulling troops completely out of Iraq, visibility in the health care debate, repealing "Don't Ask, Don't Tell", etc.).

I still believe in him, and I like the fact that he's asking the American public to be part if the solution for a change. I just hope that our faith wasn't misplaced.

How about you guys? How do you think he's doing? I know it's only been a year, but would you say he's doing well, not so well, indifferently?
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Jimmy Carter was/is a good man. But he was a horrible one term president. After last night in Massachusetts, I fear Obama will be his political reincarnation. To lose the "Kennedy seat" to republicans is a staggering rebuke in my always humble opinion. I think Obama has overreached and misjudged the direction most Americans wanted. I'm sure Bush/Cheney will be blamed, but he has a had a year with a democratically controlled congress and, really, how long can you blame Bush? Really? That long? Damn.

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I think it's very creditable in his account that he has not declared war on Iran yet. No?

That's why he was given the Nobel Peace prize. Yes?
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Obama made a stupid mistake in selecting Democrats out of the Senate for VP and cabinet posts -- and so did the Senators who took those positions. That left him without a Senate that could even reasonably be called "democratically controlled," given that Lieberman and Sanders could not be reliably counted on. Really, really stupid move. Yeah, other presidents have done that, too; but this was a practice that needed "change." The members of the Senate and House are politicians first and foremost, not necessarily experts or administrators.

Beyond that, I never "believed in" Obama, because as a rule I don't "believe in" individual people -- particularly politicians and other "leaders" in society.

Any promise that a presidential candidate makes in a campaign or that a president makes while in office that requires approval or funding from Congress is worth as little as the words spoken or written to state the promise. Despite everything he/she may do to energize or cajole the members or to rally the citizenry, you can bet that Congress will wallow in its arcane, a-constitutional rules and silly games and lobbyists' influence and only by slim chance come up with a good result.

That said, I'd rather have eight years of Obama's first twelve months of leadership than one year of any of Dubya's presidency.
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mllefifi wrote:
That said, I'd rather have eight years of Obama's first twelve months of leadership than one year of any of Dubya's presidency.


I think "at least he's not George Bush" might be setting the bar a bit low.

As far as appointing democratic senators to his cabinet, I'm unclear on one aspect - were those senators replaced by democrats or by republicans? Genuine question that, I really don't know.

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I'm still giving him until Jan, 2011, but I'll be tapping my fingers real hard.

This article kinda blew my mind:

    "WASHINGTON – Chastened by the Democratic Senate loss in Massachusetts, President Barack Obama and congressional allies signaled Wednesday they may try to scale back his sweeping health care overhaul in an effort to at least keep parts of it alive.
Scale back from what? Mandates? That's not progressive.
"If we wanted to solve the homeless crisis, we'd just force everybody to buy a house." - Obama, whilst stumping.

    A simpler, less ambitious bill emerged as an alternative only hours after the loss of the party's crucial 60th Senate seat [...] No decisions have been made, lawmakers said, but they laid out a new approach that could still include these provisions: limiting the ability of insurance companies to deny coverage to people with medical problems, allowing young adults to stay on their parents' policies, helping small businesses and low-income people pay premiums and changing Medicare to encourage payment for quality care instead of sheer volume of services.

Could? Could?? Weren't those the only things left in the bill/act worth keeping?

I don't entirely blame Obama. Let's face it, in the Elementary Classroom of life, Congressional Democrats fall somewhere between the kids who eat chalk for fun and the kids who manage to gouge their eyes out with safety scissors. I generally don't like what they do, but, damn it, Republicans can mobilize and get their shit together. A high-focused, Death Star-esque, laser beam of spite. "Death Panels! Socialism! Marxism! Kill Grandma!" ZAP!


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"I felt a great disturbance in the Force... as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly denied reasonable, affordable health care. I fear something terrible has happened."
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Massachusetts was a warning shot, but not a sea-change. There were a number of things going on there that don't reflect on Obama. Clearly the Coakley campaign and the Democratic party misjudged the electorate. They took the seat for granted, and didn't pick a true politician to run. They just didn't see a fight there until it was too late.

Health care has taken too long. I think the mistake the President made, was not having his own people draft the legislation in the first place. Leaving it up to people with 570 different agendas to come up with a plan has obviously greatly fatigued the public. Watching while they try to placate one group after another, from trial lawyers, to pharmaceutical companies, to insurance companies, to unions, to anti-abortion people has just worn the public out. Everyone has found something not to like, and it's not hard to find a reason to resist change. Yes, our health care system is fucked up, but it's ours. If it was good enough to kill my parents, it's good enough to kill me. It's just taken too long. We are the nation of the toaster waffle, fast food, jiffy lube, and restless leg syndrome. We've turned ADD into our national sport and called it multitasking, and now we have to listen to the same argument over the same thing for a whole year? No fucking way.Even the Republicans have a hard time figuring out what they're against, so they focus on irrelevant slogans and fear mongering-- all while pointing to the black guy in the big White House. Fuck, he's not just in our neighborhood, he's living in our house!

Meanwhile, the giant rat turd of the economy didn't break up and burst into flames, we're sort of standing on the wings of it in the middle of the freezing Hudson, but it now occurs to us that we're in the middle of a frozen river and don't know how we're going to get to shore and we're looking back at the guy who landed us there and going, "Hey, we were supposed to be over Chicago by now and you guys said that you'd give us a sandwich box and show the new Terminator movie. WTF Sully?"

Ronald Regan, the god of all things conservative, had a much shittier first year than Barack Obama has had. He doubled the national debt and the economy crashed again before he was out of office, but he did cut taxes. I think it's a little early to declare Barack, Jimmy Carter. Republicans will take back a bunch of seats in the mid terms. No doubt. That's what happens. That's a very perverse way of having a balance of power. Apparently, none of us can agree on what shit we'd like to have done, or how to do it, and we elect people to go to Washington and tell everyone what we think we want.

I wish Barack had presented a simple health care plan. I wish he'd pulled our guys out of Iraq. I wish he hadn't sent all those guys to Afghanistan, and I wish he'd repealed don't ask don't tell.

I think he will close Gitmo as soon as he figures out where the hell to put those guys. I think he will repeal don't ask as soon as the health care thing is off the table. I have no idea what the fuck he's going to do in Afghanistan or Iraq, but I think the treaty that W. negotiated with the Iraquis says that our asses have to be out of there by the middle of next year.

I want the guy to do well. I want him to pass some kind of health care and fix the economy and get our troops out of the Middle East and whateverthefuck Afghanistan is. He may, he may not. But it's naive to think that just because the guy is smart and smooth than any of that, or the other dozen problems that are going to arise, are going to be easy. The Republicans have an easy road, in a way. They can't be blamed for anything that's fucked up because they're not driving. And they really don't have any ideas for where we need to go. Seriously. I've been listening. All they know for sure is that guy in the White House is just crazy and he's going to come and take your women and drink your beer.

I want high speed rail and good bridges and some semblance of security in our Homeland security and some semblance of intelligence in our Intelligence network. Fucking guy walked onto a plane after his father told the American embassy that he was going to do some radical shit and now I have to take my shoes off and have my junk irradiated every time I want to get on an airplane, because Homeland Security doesn't have a system that's as tight as say, Costco? Oh no, the guy will never be able to get a deal on a bale of paper towels and a mini-keg of Kirkland Diet Cola, but he can get on a plane with explosives in his shorts because we can't check his name on Google. Okay, I've probably digressed a little.

I'm just saying, things are fucked up. There's a lot of things to fix. It might get messy.

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Democrats: A bunch of do-gooders with seemingly no political savvy whatsoever.

Republicans: A bunch of hateful, spiteful do-nothing'ers unless it benefits the wealthy and big business.

At my age my cynicism level is off the charts, and I've decided that the few years I have left will be spent completely devoid of the rancor and insanity of politics. Thanks to considerable forethought I escaped the worst of the financial meltdown, and will have no problem thoroughly enjoying my senior years despite any machinations in Washington.

I'll leave the thrashing, chest beating, frustrating analyses, and anxiety to all you young turks. Have fun!

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chris wrote:
I wish Barack had presented a simple health care plan. I wish he'd pulled our guys out of Iraq. I wish he hadn't sent all those guys to Afghanistan, and I wish he'd repealed don't ask don't tell.




amen .....

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Watching The Wheels wrote:
I'm still giving him until Jan, 2011, but I'll be tapping my fingers real hard.


This thread hurts real bad.
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Watching The Wheels wrote:
Watching The Wheels wrote:

I'm still giving him until Jan, 2011, but I'll be tapping my fingers real hard.


This thread hurts real bad.


Question Is it that bad? Should I put on a fresh pot of cocoa?

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Nah, not that bad, in retrospect. I guess things really aren't that much worse, but not that much better. Though, who couldn't use Hot Cocoa? Very Happy

I know there's the tongue-in-check 'What the Fuck has Obama Done?' website, listing accomplishments of the current administration, but a huge part of me wants to counter with a website called 'How the Fuck are We Gonna Pay For That?'

Gitmo, DADT, Iraq/Afghan War, lack of stringent Wall Street/Health Care regulations, *shrug*
Virginia courts struck down the mandate portion of the healthcare bill as being unconstitutional. Yeah, that strikes me as no surprise, but the narrative of the story is currently evolving into “Virginia declares health care for all is unconstitutional!!” Sigh, I can’t see that being used as political fodder.

Things that seem so horrendously commonsense like ‘maybe insurance companies shouldn’t be allowed to continually rape us,’ seem to die in the bowels of Congress. It’s like the singing bill in Schoolhouse Rocks. The bill is something like 'all school buses must stop before railroad tracks,' and Bill says something like, "and there are some congressmen who want to oppose me!*”
What? Who? Who would oppose that?! Is there some district that makes its money from selling blood-stained scrap metal from buses and trains?


*ETA: In the spirit of full lyrical disclosure, it's congressmen who 'discuss and debate.' Not necessarily oppose.
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i still think it's incredibly naive to think that all this change, fixing a cumulative 20 plus years of Republican raping of our system is going to happen in just 2 years time. And those who want this kind of change should know better than to ask why it hasn't happened already. You only give fodder to the evil fucktards who will twist your resentment and use it to back their efforts to block any progress. They're already doing it. If you don't understand the system, especially how compromise comes into play in enacting legislation, then get out there and get involved in a political cause, go lobby, go see how the game is played.
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