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simba major wrote:
According to wikipedia.org the murder rate per 100,000 is:

Canada 1.83
U.K. 1.49
U.S. 5.4



USA!

USA!

USA!
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fortune cookie wrote:
simba major wrote:
According to wikipedia.org the murder rate per 100,000 is:

Canada 1.83
U.K. 1.49
U.S. 5.4



USA!

USA!

USA!


Look up Saudi Arabia and China too. Besides. With the rate we actually execute people we might as well not have the DP.

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Tito wrote:
fortune cookie wrote:
simba major wrote:
According to wikipedia.org the murder rate per 100,000 is:

Canada 1.83
U.K. 1.49
U.S. 5.4



USA!

USA!

USA!


Look up Saudi Arabia and China too. Besides. With the rate we actually execute people we might as well not have the DP.

I wouldnt trust any source from China or Saudi Arabia.
Just saying

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simba major wrote:
Ah, but the tools make it so much easier to do the job.

This is true, but a bad Carpenter always blames his tools now doesnt he.

Have you ever used a firearm?

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The swiss have the 3rd highest per capita gun ownership and one of the lowest murder rates. Yemen is 2nd in ownership and only middle of the pack in murder rate.
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marksiwel wrote:
simba major wrote:
Ah, but the tools make it so much easier to do the job.

This is true, but a bad Carpenter always blames his tools now doesnt he.

Have you ever used a firearm?


Yes.

A 22 (handgun and rifle) and a Kalashnikov.
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Ginjg wrote:
The swiss have the 3rd highest per capita gun ownership and one of the lowest murder rates. Yemen is 2nd in ownership and only middle of the pack in murder rate.

you beat me to it with the swiss thing

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I look at my firearms as evolutions way of saying...
"Don't start no S H; won't be no I T.
knowutImeen? Wink Laughing
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marksiwel wrote:
Ginjg wrote:
The swiss have the 3rd highest per capita gun ownership and one of the lowest murder rates. Yemen is 2nd in ownership and only middle of the pack in murder rate.

you beat me to it with the swiss thing


But Switzerland is not even a place.
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...but I could murder a Cailler right now.
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marksiwel wrote:
Hey, new here, have a head cold, so this might be alittle disjointed.
Not a problem.
marksiwel wrote:
There are more gun owners than ever, and crime has been decreasing.
Two comments:

Correlation is not causality, and gun ownership rates are one of the weaker correlations with crime rate. The absolute best correlant (I think that's the word) is the percentage of a population who are men under the age of 25. So if we want the crime rate to go down, we need to have fewer male children. Shocked

And second, that correlation fails over time.

That said, there are good arguments on both sides of the discussion. But that correlation isn't one of them.
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Sorry if this seemed rantish, cold medicine and vicadin will do that to you.
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Well, now I know who drank my blue stuff... Razz

sgt_steve wrote:

Correlation is not causality


A.k.a. birth control by the toaster method-
I'll stick with the pills, thanks...

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sgt_steve wrote:
marksiwel wrote:
Hey, new here, have a head cold, so this might be alittle disjointed.
Not a problem.
marksiwel wrote:
There are more gun owners than ever, and crime has been decreasing.
Two comments:

Correlation is not causality, and gun ownership rates are one of the weaker correlations with crime rate. The absolute best correlant (I think that's the word) is the percentage of a population who are men under the age of 25. So if we want the crime rate to go down, we need to have fewer male children. Shocked

And second, that correlation fails over time.

That said, there are good arguments on both sides of the discussion. But that correlation isn't one of them.
marksiwel wrote:
Sorry if this seemed rantish, cold medicine and vicadin will do that to you.
Hope you're feeling better soon.


Something that I think has a hand in murder rates and other violent crimes here in the US is social isolation. It's very hard to socialise here. You have to actively seek it whereas where I grew up, you almost had to go out of your way to avoid socialising with others.
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FattyFattyPorkFace wrote:
sgt_steve wrote:
marksiwel wrote:
Hey, new here, have a head cold, so this might be alittle disjointed.
Not a problem.
marksiwel wrote:
There are more gun owners than ever, and crime has been decreasing.
Two comments:

Correlation is not causality, and gun ownership rates are one of the weaker correlations with crime rate. The absolute best correlant (I think that's the word) is the percentage of a population who are men under the age of 25. So if we want the crime rate to go down, we need to have fewer male children. Shocked

And second, that correlation fails over time.

That said, there are good arguments on both sides of the discussion. But that correlation isn't one of them.
marksiwel wrote:
Sorry if this seemed rantish, cold medicine and vicadin will do that to you.
Hope you're feeling better soon.


Something that I think has a hand in murder rates and other violent crimes here in the US is social isolation. It's very hard to socialise here. You have to actively seek it whereas where I grew up, you almost had to go out of your way to avoid socialising with others.



Well the Tea-Bagged say we are becoming a Socialist State, of course they also want to do away with actually letting the public elect our government so they cant really be trusted anyway.

My thought on our penal system is that we are far too lenient in our prisons, absolutely no privileges other than substanence food and no contact with outside world, no media, letters home, visitation. Nothing but book-learning. Hell if they arent willing to be citizens with Rights & Privileges then let them relocate to a area free of Laws, Penal Colonies can, after time become something worthwhile.

And before I piss of the world, take nearly everything I say as sarcasm or nonsense or bullshit or ignore it completely.
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Well, if prison is purely punishment that leads us to a different place than if we're looking to rehabilitate.
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