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Vahlee

Joined: 04 Nov 2005
Posts: 3675
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I'm all for immunizations. Recently the main science guy who was behind the whole "immunizations cause autism" said that he was wrong only after having his research methods and such completely debunked by his assistants and partners. He was skewing evidence to support his own agenda. So there is no quality data out there that links immunization with autism.
Personally, I think it's irresponsible not to get your kids immunized. Yeah, these diseases aren't as frequent as they used to be, but that's because, like you said, of all of the other immunized children. So when there is an outbreak of measles, mumps, or ruebella, if your kids isn't immunized, he or she is going to get it. _________________ "The First Annual Boobathon Queen. "
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Sat Jun 26, 2010 5:06 am |
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imonica

Joined: 22 Apr 2009
Posts: 969
Location: Them thar hills |
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In order to create "herd immunity", something like 95% of the population needs to be immunized. If you get pockets where the trend leans to non-vaccination, even those who were vaccinated stand a chance of infection. That's why we were lined up and given shots for certain diseases in school back in the 1970s. They were trying very hard to rid the US of these potentially deadly illnesses, and now we've got people who are willing, not only to put their own children at risk, but everyone else's, too.
Let me give you an example. The children in the US have been getting the Chicken Pox vaccine for...what, about 8 to 10 years now? Chicken pox is rarely deadly, but often has a tendency to shut down entire schools, or at least it did when I was a kid. Anyway, my daughter got her Chicken Pox vaccine when we were still in the US. We moved here, and what happens? She ends up getting Chicken Pox. The vaccinations for it here only started last year, I think, and most of the kids in her class had not been immunized against it. Now, imagine if none of them had been immunized against Small Pox, Polio, etc.
There was an outbreak of measles in Wales last year. I'm sure you could easily find articles to read where the parents of the children who were infected were interviewed, if you care to. Some of the parents of infected children said they didn't believe in immunizations before that. They sure as hell do now.
I love y'all, and I totally respect your views in most cases, but I can't even joke about this. Sure, we could reduce the population by not following a good immunization program, but you need to remember that your kids and grandkids would be at risk, too.
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girlEgirl

Joined: 19 Oct 2007
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Location: olympia, wa |
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i think some vaccinations are necessary, but some like chicken pox and flu shots are less vital unless the individual child has specific health issues that put them at risk for not surviving the common symptoms. it seems like they are coming out with new ones every year, and my personal experience is that most every time calico got one as an infant, he developed serious cold and flu symptoms accompanied by a high fever.
now i'm really not that good at research. IE;too busy/lazy to bother, but i have heard compelling arguments and statistical evidence for both sides. plus since the pharmaceutical (hey i spelled that right without spell-check!!!) industry and western medicine in general is so powerful as to be able to publish more "evidence" than naturopaths (sp?) and holistic practitioners and what-not , i'm not sure that i would be able to access anything relevant or new.....
in general i have definitely heard some good reasons and had some personal experiences to be careful about weighing the benefits/dangers of each and every immunization, but then again i usually find gingj's opinions on these matters, to be carefully researched and annoyingly reasonable , and in fact im positive she knows more about it than me, i'm not even gonna try to debate this issue too much with you gingj!  _________________ clowns are people too...people who want to hurt you.
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Sun Jun 27, 2010 1:26 pm |
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imonica

Joined: 22 Apr 2009
Posts: 969
Location: Them thar hills |
I agree that the flu and Chicken Pox vaccines aren't necessary, except maybe in the case of people with certain health problems. I wouldn't even worry so much about any of them were it not for the amount of international travel that goes on these days. But you will find that measles, polio, and the like are still killing people in places like Africa and Asia, and even parts of eastern Europe. Since people from these places do travel to western countries, and vice versa, the risk of spreading disease certainly exists. The Red Cross is working around the world to make sure as many people as possible have access to vaccinations, inlcuding Africa and Asia, because their children deserve to have more of a chance, too.
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